Ads should NOT be tolerated on Android TV.

by FrameSDF

After Google’s latest update adding the new launcher with ads to Android TV, I’ve seen people unironically defend it. Why?

My philosophy is this. If I buy a device, with my own money, I should not have to deal with ads somewhere like the HOME SCREEN.

Imagine you just buy a house. But, you go in, and there are ads everywhere on the walls. Ads for stupid stuff you don’t care about, in your OWN HOUSE. That’s what Google is trying to do here.

Sure, you can remove the ads, but they shouldn’t be there in the first place. This is the direction Google is going, or even worse.

These ads just shove pointless products down your throat, as well as even track you and collect data off of you, harming your privacy in the process. Google is notorious for doing this, they’re one of the worst offenders. So, why are they getting a pass?

Microsoft started this trend with the Xbox 360 by putting ads on the homescreen, and since then, companies have picked it up, following in their footsteps. Google isn’t the first, not will be the last, but that doesn’t make it okay, at all. That’s like saying “I killed someone! But, it’s fine, because he also killed someone”.

I understand you can change the launcher, but you shouldn’t have to, just to avoid ads. It shouldn’t be a thing. Also, yes, we can change the launcher NOW, but what about in the future? Google has already started cracking down on user control in recent years, and what says they will stop? As I’ll get into, Amazon doesn’t (or at least tries not to) let you change launchers. What’s to stop Google from doing the same?

There is a difference between recommendations and ads. Recommendations are fine, they can be useful, but they should be optional. You should be able to pick if you want recommendations or not, and for what services. In some of the pictures, it even shows a giant banner ad advertising what is “trending on Google Play”. No one I know even has Google Play, so why is that forced down our throats?

“But Amazon does it too”. They do, and that’s an issue as well, and absolutely part of the problem. The Fire TV is horrible about advertising. At least with Google, you can change the launcher, with some Amazon devices, you can’t even do that, in fact, Amazon actively tries to patch it.

A lot of these android boxes do, and it doesn’t make it okay. Hell, even NVIDIA does now with the “promoted content” tab, which luckily you can remove, but it shouldn’t be there in the first place. It’s ridiculous.

None of this exempts Google, and the good thing is, they haven’t rolled this out yet. We can stop them, and make a difference, if they get enough backlash, before it’s too late.

Google already makes billions of dollars off of advertising and data collection. Can’t they leave our own TV alone?

The people defending it are part of the problem as well. I agree, overall, the Google Launcher is pretty nice. It has some really great features, a clean look, etc. But, the advertising kills it. It shouldn’t be defended because it can look good, that doesn’t make it okay.

I love Android, but I’m concerned for the future.

I’ll be sticking to Wolf Launcher for as long as I can. It has a nice clean layout, widget support, custom background support, etc. And, no ads!

I really hope Nvidia and other companies don’t allow this, and that Google rethinks their act.

duckofdeath87

I can't wait until there is an ad free fork of Android TV.

It's open source, so it's possible. You could even add adblockers at a very low level in theory

tb21666

Nvidia seems to have the good sense to not include such things & the one thing they did include, they also gave us an option to turn it off, if they do include anything silly hopefully they give us the same on/off option.

JuanTutrego

I'm with you 100%, and I'm a little disturbed by how many people here are feeling the need to white-knight the ads. WTF? Some people apparently have such a bad case of Stockholm syndrome that they can't see that they're clearly being abused.

I have an Nvidia Shield TV and so far there's no ad on the home screen. If one shows up, I'll do whatever I have to, up to and including getting rid of the device, to make sure I don't have to see it. Fuck ads, fuck advertisers, and fuck surveillance capitalism.

mediumwhite

Google already makes billions of dollars off of advertising and data collection. Can’t they leave our own TV alone?

Oh my sweet sweet child

KrtekJim

It does feel like a step towards the kind of advertising seen in the Black Mirror episode "15 Million Merits".

As a thought experiment: Would the world really lose anything if the concept of advertising disappeared overnight? When I think about this, I usually come to the conclusion "not really, no."

Phobos31415

I'm all with you OP. People seem to be so identified with the products they bought, you cant criticize the products without the person feeling personally attacked.

serpentxx

This is currently the only official method of "disabling" majority of the ads

https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5google.com/2020/09/30/google-tv-apps-only-homescreen/amp/

Sideloading a different launcher is always an option, I can see a project starting where people end up modifying the new launcher to include more customisation and ad removal.

I would be tolerant if they removed ads of movie purchases from the play store, and ads on services I dont subscribe to.

WasedaWalker

If I am bringing up the launcher, I'd like to see content - which is what these "ads" are.

I don't see ads for INSURANCE, or DRUGS, or POLITICIANS.

I can deal with content recommendations, that's what I'm on the TV for.

NuMotiv

Obviously you pirate your tv.... Just kidding. I don't mind the suggestions honestly. I use them to find something to watch. No different than scrolling through netflix for hours.

GoodGuyRunar

Totally agree with you OP. When I buy any product, I don't except ads included. My Samsung TV has an inbuilt ad, but luckily a small banner.

Jenings

My shield is still ad free, if you want to stay in the ecosystem, consider that? Or I guess you could jump to Apple TV, I have one of those too and no ads if you disable Apple TV+ as the hone screen.

YogiBearShark

It's so strange to me that people believe that an advertising company would never advertise. Google exists to put eyeballs on ads. Period.

JohnF350KR

PfSense w/ pfBlockerNG and I have no issues with ads on entire network.

wackywabbit

Android community is so used to adds that they miss them when they don’t see them.

akisnet

After movies and TV shows ads will come with more prestigious content first like Samsung SONY and LG do.

Ads for the new Chromecast TV 2, Pixel 6, Lexus cars and Versace colognes are coming for sure...

Google, Apple Amazon and Microsoft will not stop until they beam ads inside our dreams like Futurama predicted...

[deleted]

google is trying to go in a direction of a much more profitable customer base as with everyone on this sub and the current android tv users google doesnt see a cent from you after you buy the device and considering that everyone here pirates or mostly doesnt just use products that make them money they dont give a shit

raptir1

I don't really have an issue with ads being included on a new device. I would prefer to spend more and get an ad-free device, absolutely. But if you think you deserve an ad-free experience because you spent $35 on a fire stick I can't agree with that. They're selling the devices at cost (or lower) to make money back on the content and advertising.

But if they put home screen ads on my Shield TV in an update I would be pissed. The inclusion of advertising should be factored into the purchase price of the device.

hboinay

Stop being such a drama queen. These are recommendations, not ads, and you can select which services are displayed or not in your google settings.

titooo7

After Google’s latest update adding the new launcher with ads to Android TV, I’ve seen people unironically defend it. Why?

For the same reason some people don't mind Facebook or Google collecting so much of their personal data. Some people like to be told what they should do/buy/watch...

unseenmover

Your right its your money.. You also have the ability to choose, wisely or otherwise.

STO_Ratt

They won't listen to us, they just don't care.

But there is a way we can hurt them bit by bit, just simply don't buy their product.

I've switched from 2nd Gen. fireTV cube to Shield after that fiasco with disabling 3rd party luncher if it same happen I could easily switch the platform again.

And yes mostly all platforms have advertisements but you know what there are small PC today out on the market that is 10x more powerful than TV Boxes, throwing windows or even more clean Linux operating system, and bum you have clean TV!
The only downside of this is you have to use something like Logitech k400r instead of remote but at least it's a clean experience.

The issue is just also that people also don't care too much, everyone is loud on the internet but when actions are needed there is 0 effort to do something.

secretgardenguy

What gets me in Android TV is that a lot of the apps that I use are "acquiring" these sources in less than legal scenarios and they are force feeding me ads. Pirating and charging companies for advertising. Bold.

VanNewfie

Here is my opinion about advertising... advertising makes services and products cheaper for some people. What needs to happen (if anything) is for companies like Google to provide premium services and products that give customers increased privacy. At the same time they need to create the same devices and services for people who can't afford the extra cost by using advertising and "suggestions" paid for by their customers (who are actually the companies they advertise for, NOT you). If a company like Google gave the populace THIS type of option I think they'd double or triple their business.

Hell0-7here

This is the direction Google is going, or even worse.

Welcome to 2005! Why are you using a Google product if you expect an ad free or private experience. Google is literally an Ad company that is what they do.

ImpossibleCarob8480

Totally agree, would give an award but I’m poor

tofudisan

Um... You would have hated broadcast TV then. Ad breaks all.the time on a device you paid for (the TV).

sunilroy007

You cant stop google no matter if ur us president. Google is bigger than any country but still no one realize it or control it. Google is the dictator

virmele

I couldn't bother to read after first few lines, because the analogy you used is beyond stupid and ridiculous lol. So when you buy phone you also shouldn't get ads? When you buy PC, you shouldn't get ads on internet either? Your logic is broken. You buy hardware, not software. You own that hardware. You don't own software, and you don't own internet. Free market, don't like Google product, don't buy it.

mightymunster1

You can turn it off

SirWobblyOfSausage

For TV and Movies, sure I want to see things I could potentially watch. I've spent hours searching myself using other sites, surely a curated list to watch more is great. Its' not like its selling anything to you that is not even remotely related.

pawdog

The ad banner is not new. We beat this horse 6 month ago.

elzafir

Yes, you own your device. But you do NOT own the software, which they gave you access for FREE. They can put whatever they like on the software, according to their TOS. Your power is your wallet, if you hate the software (ads or not), do not buy it and buy something else. Or, if you did buy it, install another software (in case of Android phones).

The house analogy is 100% incorrect in this case . A better analogy is you're buying a DVD that comes with movie trailers before the movie. If you hate the trailers, don't buy the DVD.

An even better analogy, you're buying a magazine that have ads inside. Or buying a TV and the channels you watch have ads on them.

I don't see you bitching about ads in magazines and TVs.

EDIT: Another analogy: A movie with product placements on it.

NoShftShck16
  1. Recommendations based on your watched programs isn't the same as an ad.
  2. App Only homescreen is a setting in the options menu
  3. You do own the device, you are free to install any launcher you'd like on it. What you don't own is the Android software, don't get hardware and software confused.
  4. Your comparison to the house is wrong. You own your house, but you don't own or pay for the mail service that delivers your mail. Therefore you cannot control what spam, ads or recommendations arrive in your mailbox.

You are acting entitled while using a service you don't pay for. Either use your hardware they way you want or compromise some ads and recommendations while using the free Google TV service.

[deleted]

people who complain about ads so much have become the digital version of the annoying vegan meme

Tel864

They're not ads and you can ignore them like the majority of normal people do